Fauxstralian
1:27 Wed Jan 3
Re: Moyes being offered a new contract. FFS
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Said before that if I was the owner I'd want assurance on the below before a contract renewal offer:
Explanation as to how the team will develop beyond backs to the wall low block nonsense like last night
Acceptance of Steidtens recommendations on players
Explanation of a plan to incorporate our talented youth into the squad and team
That said I'd also have BUTTON HOLED Mr DeZerbi in the tunnel post match and asked him to name his price explaining he would have money to spend rather than selling off a couple of hundred million worth of talent before turning up with half a side and running us ragged like last night
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icwhs
1:26 Wed Jan 3
Re: Moyes being offered a new contract. FFS
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Fans that are perplexed about our manager getting a contract offer? Our most successful manager in PL history?
Just weird
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Willtell
1:21 Wed Jan 3
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Mad Dog 1:08
I'd suggest that the different split is more about those that appreciate the finer technicalities of the game want Moyes gone.
Those that don't are happy to judge Moyes by us being in 6th place and having won a 3rd class cup...
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Willtell
1:15 Wed Jan 3
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2Still in the same position we have been for some time, regarding league games, where we have a competitive best eleven and nothing but fillers on the bench.2
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So who should we blame for that then Comma? Why couldn't Moyes work with Haller or Scamacca? How about Vlassic, Cornet, Kral, Downes (shipped out on lone) Covemtry, Kehrer or Johnson?
Was it coincidence that Johnson and Benrahma had their best games for us all season? Or were they aware they were soon getting out so grabbed the chance to show how good they could be for another club?
Will the youth team be impressed by Mubama's game time chasing shadows on his own up front with everyone else pulled into defence?
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Mad Dog
1:08 Wed Jan 3
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I'll yell you the split.
Those that actually go. Spend their hard earned money, loads of time and effort want him out
The ones that watch it from their warm sofas and see te numbers only want him in.
Not saying those that don't go are less of fans. Far from it. Geography and circumstance will have an Impact on many. But those that sit through the reality of the tedium and predictability of our play generally are the more likely to want him gone.
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brick_lane_batty_boy
12:53 Wed Jan 3
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I would love to know the percentage split amongst fans.
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Mad Dog
12:52 Wed Jan 3
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Russ. That dean Ashton bit nails.it completely
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Mad Dog
12:38 Wed Jan 3
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"Looking at last night’s starting eleven and the bench we were fortunate to get away with a point"
And who's fault is that? Moyes has had a few years now and has not built a squad. He does not play fringe players ever so they aren't match fit and demotivated. He doesn't play youth.
Brighton had 11 (eleven) out last night and their players seemed to manage and be able to pass the ball 5 fucking yards
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12:11 Wed Jan 3
Re: Moyes being offered a new contract. FFS
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Looking at last night’s starting eleven and the bench we were fortunate to get away with a point. Still in the same position we have been for some time, regarding league games, where we have a competitive best eleven and nothing but fillers on the bench.
We need incomers who greatly improve the overall squad. Last night for example the only position that had equal/reasonable cover was goalkeeper.
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Gaffer58
12:07 Wed Jan 3
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Wonder what Moyes says prospective transfer targets when he’s selling them West Ham and the premiership, these players are all coming from very good teams who will play a possession style game, not this sit behind the ball and hoof it forward hoping for something, oh, and also you’ll have to run your bollocks off chasing after the ball for 75 minutes of every game.
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lincslink
12:05 Wed Jan 3
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Not to win
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lincslink
12:00 Wed Jan 3
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Sitting 6th in the league we should be attacking teams at home, not conceding possession and trying to play on the break with no pace wide. Apart from 10 mins before half time Brighton had it too easy and were unlucky to to win.
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Russ of the BML
11:48 Wed Jan 3
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Sydney_Iron 11:23 Wed Jan 3
I'm not blinkered. My eyes are open wide. I say what I see.
Good record in Europe, yes. But the reality is that 50% of those games are against teams that are Championship and, arguably, even League 1 level. However, I still accept its a very good record.
And you ask what people want. I can tell you what they don't want. They don't want us to roll over and play rope-a-dope football against Brighton who have 11 injuries and surrender 70% possession and have two shots on target in 90 minutes. That's what they don't want.
And they also don't want their manager to come into his interview beaming like he's won the Champions league telling everyone how fucking pleased he is with the result and the performance.
That's what they don't want.
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Sydney_Iron
11:26 Wed Jan 3
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*Edit, lost 4 in Europe, forgot Seville away!
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Sydney_Iron
11:23 Wed Jan 3
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"There's no agenda/ Its fucking facts. Moyes has been responsible for more losses than wins because of his tinkering, his small time mindset and his persistence to get through a game unscathed rather than go and win it"
Really???
Moyes in the 3 seasons in Europe has Won 24, Drawn 4 and lost 3
Throw in the 6th and 7th place finishes in the PL, ok last season was bit shit but we are back up in the league this season and currently 6th.
Im not sure what people want TBH? And have to agree with others, we win its down to the players and nothing to do with Moyes, we lose or draw its all down to Moyes.
Blinkered or What????
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Russ of the BML
11:10 Wed Jan 3
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marty feldman 9:49 Wed Jan 3
There's no agenda. When we win its because the players player really well.
When we lose its because of Moyes selection, formation and set up. End of.
There's no agenda/ Its fucking facts. Moyes has been responsible for more losses than wins because of his tinkering, his small time mindset and his persistence to get through a game unscathed rather than go and win it.
This is not an agenda. Its plan hard facts.
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Gaffer58
11:07 Wed Jan 3
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Oh well, only another two seasons of the Moyes dross,then Sullivan will go all expansive and appoint Roy Hodgson.
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Willtell
11:05 Wed Jan 3
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marty feldman 9:49
The game against Brighton was against a team with 11 injured players out. We actually had 5 out but two of those were the CB pairing that played in the Arsenal win so really only 3 out.
We hung on for the draw at home. 6th in the league and we hang on with a massed defence. I blame the manager for that as I explained at length in my earlier post. To summarise, it's his small time mindset and the way that he falls out or ignores non-playing squad members.
Was Johnson so much worse than Coufal? I don't think so but he will be going soon because he has not been nurtured as young players should be when they have dodgy periods.
Why did Benrahma have his best game for us all season so why ddi he get pulled when the worst two players were Fornals and Soucek that are only useful at shutting opponents down or blocking shots?
Fornals has never been a LWer. Why was he moved over to replace our most creative player Benrahma? What possible chances are going to come to a youth striker when he gets isolated without any skilful attacking help?
Can you not see all of this going on marty? It's not hatred of Moyes but hatred of what he's doing badly...
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Russ of the BML
11:04 Wed Jan 3
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brick_lane_batty_boy 9:44 Wed Jan 3
Excellent post. 100% agree.
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Russ of the BML
11:01 Wed Jan 3
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All I can say is thank god for Dean Ashton.
On way home last night I was listening to TS. And what transpired was great radio. Not sure if anyone heard it bot for those that didn't (I'll do my best to recall it as clearly as possible).
Adrian Durham came on after the game (which he and Ashton had commentated on) and he basically started baiting the West Ham fans. Saying how quiet they were and how poor their support was. Said that they are sixth in the league and should be bouncing. Yet, here was a game where the team needed them and we let the team down. How we should be singing 'champions of Europe, you'll never sing that' and reminding the players that we've not forgotten the great nights they gave us. How the fans deserted the players last night etc etc blah blah blah.
I know its all to wind people up and get them calling into the Sports Bar making fools of themselves to Cundy and whatever cunt he's got with him. I get it.
But Ashton called Durham out big time. He said basically 'hold on a minute' and went on to to Durham and said you rung me a few weeks ago when we got this match and said you are interested in this game because it seems West Ham are doing well but there' still a lot of anti-Moyes feeling so I'd be interested to see why. Ashton said well there you go. You've seen it. So why are you digging the fans. You've just watched a West Ham side at home surrender 70% possession to Brighton, play rope-a-dope football and have two attempts at goal in 90 mins. Yet you want the fans to be bouncing. He said this was an inept performance that quite frankly is unacceptable for West Ham. They've basically come out tonight and set up not to lose. And this is against a Brighton team with six injuries. And for what? Because Kudus and Paqueta are out. West Ham lose two key players and they surrender at home to Brighton? He said those players were given clear instructions tonight on how not to lose the game... Not go and win it. And you expect the place to be rocking. He said to Durham, you are supporter, so you get it. And you know its the players and the team that get the fans bouncing, not the other way around. How on earth are West Ham fans supposed to be rocking when for 70% of a 90 minutes they are watching the opponent with the ball. Its not sustainable. And he said and this performance is not uncommon. The West Ham fans are tired and drained of Moyes style which during a 90 minutes only gives you a few opportunities to get out your seat. This has been going on for 2 seasons. The fans are bored. And he finished by saying you can harp on about 'we won a European trophy' and 'we are 6th in the league' and 'we are only West Ham and look what we've achieved' but he said 'Adrian, the fans are bored by Moyes style'. End of. And he said and now you have witnessed it first hand. Imagine sitting through that week in and week out. Yes, there are times and games when its brilliant. But like in the games, for 70% of the time its dull.
What followed was bizarre. Durham completely flip-flopped and started baiting Moyes. Telling him if he doesn't change then he'll get sacked. Saying he's got to set up to go out and win rather than not lose. How fans watching Brighton dominate possession and chances at London Stadium is unacceptable.
It was very odd. I realise its all to get people wound up and phoning in. But just thought I'd share as I think Ashton made some superb points, defended the fans and called out Moyes very eloquently to the point of saying to Durham at the end, so when you call out West Ham fans for not worshipping David Moyes - Now you know why.
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brick_lane_batty_boy
10:11 Wed Jan 3
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Rossal 10:01 Wed Jan 3
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"Our position is false and not a reflection of our season or our performances for me"
100% this - as soon as results start mirroring performance, we'll start to slide down the table.
Take out Kudus and Pacqueta - we're actually unwatchable.
Brighton were missing six players last night - and still stuck to their patterns of play, dominated possession and created loads.
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